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    Urgent Meeting

    There is a meeting everyone needs to attend about the current state of trails and potential closures in the El Dorado National Forest. I know it is short notice but it is really important that we have a large showing and a presense. Otherwise we can Kiss some 1200-1800 miles of trails GOODBYE.

    8/2 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Public Meeting Draft EIS Release Concord - Pleasant Hill Recreation Center, 320 Civic Drive, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523.

    Come and find out what we can do to keep out trails open
    Tim Scully

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    can anyone make it?
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    I am going for sure, and a lot of my friends are driving in from all over the area to attend.
    Tim Scully

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    Here is a link to the Draft Environmental Impact Statement:

    http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/pro...is/index.shtml

    Here is the abstract:

    Abstract: The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) documents the analysis of
    five alternatives to allow public wheeled motor vehicle travel on the Eldorado National
    Forest. Alternative A proposes no action. Alternative B allows public wheeled motor
    vehicle travel on 1,844 miles of routes and prohibits cross-country travel. The emphasis
    of this alternative is to provide a high level of motorized recreation opportunities and
    access across the Forest. Alternative C allows public wheeled motor vehicle travel on
    1,728 miles of routes and prohibits cross-country travel. The emphasis of this alternative
    is to provide a high level of motorized recreation opportunities and address resource
    concerns. Alternative D allows public wheeled motor vehicle travel on 1,546 miles of
    routes and prohibits cross-country routes. The emphasis of this alternative is to provide a
    balance between providing recreational opportunities and reducing effects to resources.
    Alternative E allows public motor vehicle travel on 1,371 miles of routes and prohibits
    cross-country travel. The emphasis of this alternative is to provide greater protection of
    forest resources and increase opportunities for non-motorized recreational activities.
    Last edited by dbregman; 08-01-2007 at 11:49 AM.
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    Here is more detail on the alternitives being proposed:

    The five alternatives developed, A – E, consider a full range of reasonable management options,
    including the No Action and Proposed Action Alternatives.

    In Alternative A the No-Action alternative, no designation would take place and use would
    continue on all existing routes. Cross-country travel would be allowed and no seasonal closure
    would be instituted. Areas for parking/dispersed camping would continue to be used by public
    wheeled motor vehicles. Also, over-the-snow travel with public wheeled motor vehicles would
    not be regulated.

    In Alternative B, 1,120.8 miles of roads and 20.71 miles of trails would allow for public wheeled
    motor vehicle use, with cross-country travel prohibited. Limited non-significant Forest Plan
    amendments would be needed for specific route segments and a seasonal closure would be
    implemented on designated system trails and ML-2 roads from Jan. 1 through March 31. Wheeled
    motor vehicle over-the-snow travel would be allowed only on ML-3, -4, and -5 roads and only
    with 12 inches of snow or more and no ground contact. Parking and dispersed camping for
    wheeled motor vehicles would be limited to within one vehicle length from the edge of the route
    surface.

    In Alternative C, the Proposed Alternative, 1,064.1 miles of roads and 177.1 miles of trails
    would allow for public wheeled motor vehicle use, with cross-country travel prohibited. Limited
    non-significant Forest Plan amendments would be required for specific route segments and a
    seasonal closure would be implemented on designated system trails and ML-2 roads from
    November 1 through April 30. If it is determined by the Forest Supervisor during the months of
    November, December or April, based on soil moisture evaluations, rainfall, road or trail
    conditions, and weather forecasts, that during this period areas are suitable for use, the Forest
    Supervisor has the authority to open those areas for a specified amount of time. Wheeled motor
    vehicle over-the-snow travel would be allowed on ML-3, -4, and -5 roads only and only with 12
    inches of snow or more and no ground contact. Parking and dispersed camping would be limited
    to within one vehicle length from the edge of the route surface.

    In Alternative D 844.3 miles of roads and 217.0 miles of trails would allow for public wheeled
    motor vehicle use, with cross-country travel prohibited. Limited non-significant Forest Plan
    amendments would be required for specific route segments and seasonal closure would be
    implemented on designated system trails and ML-2 roads from December 1 through April 30. If it
    is determined by the Forest Supervisor during the months of December or April, based on soil
    moisture evaluations, rainfall, road or trail conditions, and weather forecasts, that during this
    period areas are suitable for use, the Forest Supervisor has the authority to open those areas for a
    specified amount of time. Wheeled motor vehicle over-the-snow travel would be allowed on all
    designated routes with 24 inches of snow or more and no ground contact. Wheeled motor vehicles
    would be limited to within one vehicle length from the edge of the route surface for parking and
    dispersed camping.

    In Alternative E 751.6 miles of roads and 136.3 miles of trails would allow for public wheeled
    motor vehicle use, with cross-country travel prohibited. No Forest Plan amendments would be
    required and a seasonal closure would be implemented on designated system trails and ML-2
    roads from January 1 through March 31. Wheeled motor vehicle over-the-snow travel would be
    allowed only on ML-3, -4, and -5 roads and only with 12 inches of snow or more and no ground
    contact. For parking and dispersed camping, wheeled motor vehicles would be limited to within
    one vehicle length from the edge of the route surface.
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    Tim Scully

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    Will try and make it today!

    Seems like the Alt A, B, C, D, or E could be decided depending on # supporters. I am for A (no action), but need to read more about the other alts.

    After attending the Oregon trails last week, and having volun clean-up Rubicon a few weeks ago, it would be unfortunately to see more trail closures (happening in Oregon also). Beautiful trails I'd like my kids and future gen to see and appreciate.
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    From studying up on this I think Alt A isnt an option in the forest services mind. Therefore I am pushing for Alt A with a strong emphasis on Alt B if a isnt an option. Again they are pushing for Alt D which takes away some 1700 miles of trails.

    See you guys at the meeting if you can make it. Ill be the offroad guy yelling at the injustices of the environmental world *$#$%#@$%%^&&%##@@*
    Tim Scully

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    Remember to tell them in that stewardship and volunteerism is a wonderful thing, but those doing the work need to feel connected to the work and the place, and if they ban people from the forest then that connection will be lost.

    Also ask them if the fact that they need to "preserve" these areas from an overabundance of people is in direct corelation to the amount of people living in the surrounding areas? If they say yes, that the population growth is the reason for the added protection, then ask them to start by limiting the amount of people coming into the country illegally. Seems like the same problem, a few bad apples are ruining it for the rest of the good people...

    Oh yeah, and tell them that American's own that forest land, we pay their salary and they are here to ensure that we CAN excercise our freedom and travel.....If I wanted to be told I can't go anywhere, I'd go live somewhere else...

    Protection and Banning, 2 completely difffernt things. I wonder if the FS people want to be told how to live their lives?

    Ok, a bit cooler now, especially for a Morning...where is my coffee....
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